Eine andere -Site. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Who am I to judge? Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. See the Book of Mormon. That is probably not distinguishable from taking no sides and keeping ones nose totally clean in most cases. Heres how we can tell. Do you think Mormons feel more justified in judging others or about the same? The quoted line you use is telling in its total lack of irony and self awareness: Theres no one else who can say what I can say. He was president in the wrong time for his set of skills, IMO. I can not vote for someone who is incapable of controlling his addiction to anger. Honestly I think a pragmatic technocrat might be what we need right now. Myself, as an European LDS, am appalled by the mosaic of dishonesty I see in Romneys campaign, the dirt slinging, hate mongering type of non political discourse that destroys this world by the hour. At the time of his death, Smith was an independent candidate for the Illinois state legislature.[8]. Maybe. It was clear to me in a way I hadnt fully realized before that as a Mormon, I have definite expectations when it comes to repentance, but its much more vague with my Evangelical friends. Gunlock - Hyrum Wayne Smith, age 76, of Gunlock, Utah died, surrounded by his family in his home at Eagle Mountain Ranch, on November 18, 2019. Despite our own reputation as gullible, Evangelicals are certainly not immune to Ned Flanders Disease. He loved the three years that he and Gail presided over the California Ventura mission. -Vitrolic He was, by all accounts, a stand-up guy. on where spending cuts ought go). Blacks Didn't Sin in Pre-existence. Its hard to imagine Tuacahn without Hyrum, Kevin Smith said in a statement. After his marriage to Gail, the newlyweds returned to Fort Sill and Hyrum attended the Pershing Missile Officers Course. This may have been one of the factors behind Dr. Nathan Smith treating Smith's brother Joseph's leg.[2]. Archived. At least thats what the linked newsstory says. This overwhelming experience took place at nearly "the same hour that the Carthage mob were shedding the blood of Joseph and Hyrum Smith, near one thousand miles distant," according to his autobiography. He was the older brother of the movement's founder, Joseph Smith, and was killed with him in a lynching at a jail (Much as was done with Obama four years ago) Say what you will about Romney but at least people arent projecting (yet) unrealistic things on him. I once took a religion class at BYU from Lloyd Newell (Music and the Spoken Word guy) on Teachings of the Living Prophets. Funeral services are set for Tuesday, Dec. 3, at noon, at the Ivins Stake Center, 260 E. 1060 South, Ivins. Smith refused and, in 1844, traveled with Joseph to Carthage, Illinois, where both were charged with riot and treason. Personally, if he wins I really hope moderate, pragmatic Guvn Romney shows up rather than right-wing pandering Romney. 7. The Smiths became arts patrons, donating a total of $23 million to the Tuacahn Center for the Arts in Ivins. (i.e. his first wife's sister when her first husband died. Somehow the irony of their behavior is lost on them. Dont worry about your politics, Marcus, Europe is (non)-breeding itself into utter irrelevance, so who cares? etc. You nailed it for me. Books like Miracle of Forgiveness imply that returning to a sin after repentance undoes the original repentance, making the sin even more serious. Smith served as presiding officer of a church branch in Colesville, New York, and was one of the first Latter Day Saint missionaries in the surrounding area. Mormons have a particular hatred for philandering husbands. Smith believed it was possible to be too rich. At the two-hour council meeting it was declared that she would be excommunicated based on the charges of (1) apostasy, (2) teaching false doctrine, (3) priestcraft, and (4) defaming the good name of the Church. -Decadent But I think Republicans really want someone charismatic who can get their message out. Ever. So I reserve the right to be smug about him;). Hyrum never really retired; he just changed his focus of where he was spending his time. Delusions of grandeur? He and Gail have been very generous to many other institutions and individuals about which they have chosen to remain anonymous. Newt represents that. Hyrum served a mission in London, England. Yet, if Ron Paul wins I wouldnt complain too much. Im not sure were particularly anti-Gingrichprobably related to the fact that he is (or, was) a threat to Romney. 8/13/1999. 0:00 1:00 IVINS, Utah Author, businessman, motivational speaker and philanthropist Hyrum W. Smith died Nov. 18 after being diagnosed with terminal cancer in July. He loved to attend the sports, music and dance events of his grandchildren whenever possible. On 24 December 1837, in Kirtland, Ohio, he married Mary Fielding Smith (18011852). One wonders when political expediency goes to situational ethics. His most recent book is Purposeful Retirement. Of course thats til November, when, if it ends up being a Romney Obama battle, then loss of agency is likely to be the sin du jour.). Hyrum Smith and his father Joseph Smith Sr along with Hyrum's younger brother Samuel were all directly related to Joseph Smith. Hyrum Wayne Smith was born on October 16, 1943 in Centerville, Utah. I find him to be a loose cannon in the political realm. He referenced a note in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith which referred to Enoch holding keys over a dispensation, and noting something concerning the nature and ministration of translated personages, but didn . Hyrum Smith (February 9, 1800 - June 27, 1844) was the older brother of Joseph Smith, Jr. and a leader in the early Latter Day Saint movement. Turns out he is My first thought was that he probably would not be LDS any more, having been excommunicated for condoning torture, immoral wars, warmongering, all sorts of violence, and threats of nuclear wars on imagined enemies, and it is unlikely he would have undergone the rigors of the process to become rebaptized. Finally, I think the inability of Huntsman to get any traction among Mormons probably says more about how our religion leads us to view candidates. BYU's L. Tom Perry Special Collections houses one of the finest collections of documents and manuscripts related to the early history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day . In 1983 he co-founded the Franklin Quest Company to produce the planner and train individuals and organizations in the time management principles on which the planner was based. View Hyrum Smith results in Utah (UT) including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. al.). taught about the need to receive the Baptism of Fire as part of our progression. Hyrum traveled with his wife Gail all over the world for both business and pleasure. 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Gunlock - Hyrum Wayne Smith, age 76, of Gunlock, Utah died, surrounded by his family in his home at Eagle Mountain Ranch, on November 18, 2019. Do these differences mean that Evangelicals are lighter on (spiritual) crime than Mormons? Hyrum W. Smith Contact Privacy Policy Spocket Reviews In the world of e-commerce, finding reliable and efficient suppliers can be a challenge. That. But that wouldnt bring out the collective Mormon hand-wringing weve seen, since most Mormons would be in danger of going over the cliff with the GOP. Joseph, Brigham, Heber, John Taylor, etc. Hes complaining that he understands religious persecution (compared to Romney, no less) and is tired of having to support tolerance of other religions while Christianity is being attacked so badly in the USA?!?! Thats why I wont vote for the ego-maniacal troll. He started out a hero by forcing the government shut down for a short time. You have been permanently banned from this board. So, Hyrum was either a cold sociopath complicit to Joseph's charistmatic con, or he was an innocent that was blinded by his love for his younger brother into falling for the con. http://www.mormonthink.com/transbomweb.htm. Smith developed the Franklin Planner in his basement, using loose-leaf pages to organize appointments, tasks and notes based on a time-management system Smith also developed. Its situations like this that lead me to believe that when a crime is commited like molesting your daughter, go to the police first then the Bishop. Hyrum was one of the original creators of the popular Franklin Day Planner. It doesnt matter what I live. On June 27, 1844, the building was attacked by a mob of between sixty and two hundred men. Samuel H. Smith and Don Carlos Smith to Hyrum Smith, 13 Oct. 1837, Church Archives. Hyrum is one of the only early Church leaders that I gain respect for the more I learn about him. Were in a republic where finding anyone who can actually solve problems and not be a divisive ideologue is a godsend. Romney has annihilated him in every non-evangelical-dominated state thus far, and he knows the only shot he has is to rile up the bigotry and fear of enough people to cause the Santorum voters to switch to him and that, all by itself, is a truly frightening scenario. #29 Yeah, Thomas, I can see that, unfortunately. -Hateful Also if one critiques Romney for not being an economic conservative that goes in spades for Santorum. You can see a brief biography here of your ancestor ( http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/person/hyrum-smith ). Bear in mind that he was in year two of another six-year affair at the time. In the case of all sins, Mormons believe repentance requires confessing your sins to God, asking for forgiveness, but also making restitution to any wronged person, and forsaking the sin entirely. Is it Newts relentless hypocrisy that disgusts Mormons? Gingrich is one thing, Im sure he deserves your wholehearted negativity, but to see Romney, a fellow member of the Church of Jesus Christ, embrace this type of vitriolic and utter decadent politics as Romney do is excruciating. In 1831, he established a home in Kirtland, Ohio. Newt Gingrich: The Indispensable Republican. Esquire.com. Hyrum has served on the board in several different capacities, including Chairman, and was fulfilling a Vice-Chairman role when he passed. Theres no one else who can say what I can say. From what I have consistently heard, the biggest Mormon objection to Newt is his serial adultery, especially because the wives he cheated on and eventually left were gravely ill at the time he left them for younger women. I am thinking that most who say that are Democrats, but if not then why the antipathy toward the man as voting material? Newt is running against one of us. He was raised in Honolulu, Hawaii as a consequence of his family moving there. Hyrum Smith papers. He loved his country and honored all men and women who served or who are serving in all branches of the U.S. military. They had six children together. All of these are checks. . Romney aint it. Finally, he secured a balanced budget and other Republican proposals by forcing Clintons hands. Hyrum W. Smith is a distinguished author, speaker, and businessman. Posted by. WTH doesnt even begin to describe my reaction to that one. Perhaps. Having an uncle or grandfather make me feel more comfortable because I relate to him is one thing, but if you are going to ask me who can help my family get out of a crisis, and who can help lead me into better economic situations and be safer for tomorrowI will vote my Dad who wasnt always around because hes responsible and hard working and has a track record of getting things done. As to other peoples adulteries and subsequent painful scenarios what happens in the labyrinth of bad relationships is often hidden from the participants themselves, let alone outside parties. I suppose you are right from that perspective. In a general conference of the Church in October 1831, in Orange, Ohio, Hyrum Smith asked his brother, Joseph, to give details of the BOM translation method. How many people make a profit off their adultery by writing a book about it? ), great post. Then he fought against Clinton for lying against congress and the American people (its not about the dress people). Hyrum W. Smith (October 16, 1943 - November 18, 2019) founded the Franklin Quest Company in 1983. Metcalf Mortuary - St. George 288 West St. George Blvd. What surprised me is how many of my non-LDS corporate colleagues are big Romney fans. In February 2007, Ida Smith attended a lecture about Mary Magdalene at the Salt Lake City Public Library. After relocating to Nauvoo, Illinois, Smith became the church's Presiding Patriarch, a position first held by his father, Joseph Smith Sr. They had two children. After his brother Alvin's death, Hyrum assumed a major share of the family economy. He is preceded in death by his daughter, Sharwan Smith; 2 granddaughters: Shilo and Abby Shurtliff; sisters: Ruth Silver, Ida Smith, Lynn Partridge; and his parents, Joseph and Ruth Smith. After retiring from FranklinCovey, he co-founded several other entrepreneurial ventures, his most recent being a company called Ampelis, which continues Hyrums interest in helping individuals and corporations gain control of their lives. So, from that one example and there was another similar situation that he was involved in that make me wonder about things. Is this the Hyrum from the old days or recent? Smith was a direct descendant of Hyrum Smith, who died in 1844 alongside his brother, Mormon founder Joseph Smith, at the hands of an angry mob at the jail in Carthage, Ill. Reading his process back to church membership filled me with empathy and admiration, knowing how difficult and humbling it must have been. Or does this mean that Newts explanation of his repentance process is culturally familiar to them, whereas to Mormons it is evidence that he did not truly repent (in that he didnt forsake his adultery or make restitution). As the church headquarters and membership moved west, Smith and his family relocated. After staggering back, another ball fired through the window struck him in the back, passed through his body, and struck his watch in his vest pocket. Kevin Smith, Tuacahns CEO (and Hyrums nephew), estimated that it was the single largest contribution to an independent arts organization in Utah. Marcus, -Hypocritical Angie/Hawk (Im so confused! He cavorts with top Democrats while declaring political war against them as if it never happened. It doesnt necessarily mean the rest of the country sees it that way. The Pearl of Great Price Seminar The Book of Mormon Seminar The Doctrine and Covenants Seminar rockslider Members 391 Gender:Male Location:Heber, Utah Author Truly a marvelous work and a wonder! I would be VERY interested to hear from a Mormon who prefers Newt over Romney. I was alive and well during the 90s and apparently some people have incredibly short memories, or are desperate or both. It really does not matter how traumatic these prescribed accomplishments get, people are very capable of enduring quite a lot of pain and suffering in order to maintain the appearance of something, hoodwinking the establishment in thinking they are ready. They went on to raise six children and have 24 grandchildren. He was raised in Honolulu, Hawaii as a consequence of his family moving there. In lieu of flowers please donate to the Hyrum & Gail Smith Tuacahn Legacy Endowment. He also said he saw the angel Moroni. lose my respect the more I learn. Just the fact that Romneys campaign in Florida was, statistically, the most negative in the history of US elections is mind-boggling. Smith was a direct descendant of Hyrum Smith, who died in 1844 alongside his brother, Mormon founder Joseph Smith, at the hands of an angry mob at the jail in Carthage, Ill. I dont want Romney to win the general election, but I feel proud when he does well. M. Russell Ballard, the current Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the LDS Church, is also a direct descendant of Smith. They were ultimately blessed with six children and 24 grandchildren. Grace is enough to the true evangelical because they will try to make things right regardless, on their own. 2. 259K subscribers in the exmormon community. Call us now: 012 662 0227 very faint line on covid test. I wouldnt vote for Romney either, but I do want people to like him. Hyrum (12 March 1924 - 23 October 2016) was born and raised on a farm South of Rexburg, Idaho. My unfamiliarity with these practices makes them seem extreme and even psychotic. Ive no complaints when people come back. I think Romney should call Gingrich the Georgia Gigolo. I read an article about Hyrum Smith, the founder of the Franklin Planner, who publicly confessed to an extramarital affair. He is everything that critics say of Romney making Newts declarations of conservatism hypocritical. 6. Joseph Fielding Smith, The Life of Joseph F. Smith (1938), 120. As others in the comments have alluded, what bother me about Newt is his saying stuff like this: It doesnt matter what I do. Learn how and when to remove this template message, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, "Moroni Appeared to 17 Different People! If he were totally faithful to his wife or had only committed just one little bitty adultery, the electorate could probably get past that. "Many 'crazies' have come and gone and the Church has kept silent on them," Hyrum Smith noted in an e-mail. In 1997 it became the . Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. He named the system after Benjamin Franklin, the inventor and statesman, who also kept a small notebook for daily jottings and observations. The difference seems to be one of humility and repentance. When he was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer, he was asked what was on his bucket list that he would like to do in the time he had left. But mercy is waiting at the door knocking for those who will make the effort to receive that gift, it is not free. And who has the best hair. . Tuacahn has delighted audiences with top quality professional family entertainment, provided opportunities for performers and education for students for nearly 25 years as well as having a dramatic positive impact on the economy in the greater St. George area.
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